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Studies global natural resources announced that since probably about the year 2000, consumption has been the biggest driver of our environmental problems. greater even than the growth in the human population around the globe. so what that means is that how much each one of us consumes now matters more than how many of us there are. and that's playing out in everything from climate to deforestation, toxic pollution, plastics. you name it, consumption is a major driver of it. >> yeah. i remember hearing you talk about, you know, how a t-shirt from the growing of the cotton to the manufacture to ...

Studies natural resources announced that consumption is the biggest driver of our environmental problems. greater than the growth in the human population around the globe. so what that means is how much each one of us consumes matters more than how many of us there are. that's playing out in everything from climate to deforestation, toxins, plastic. you name it, consumption is a major driver of it. >> i remember hearing you talk about how a t-shirt from the growing of the cotton to the manufacturer to the shipping, all of those things, till et gets to your door and the environmental impact of ...

And doctor at children's hospital of philadelphia. dr. fauci said it's early but he's optimistic based on what he's seen so far. do you share that optimism? >> yes. this is a bad coronavirus trying to adapt itself to the human population. from the virus' standpoint it wants to become more contagious, that way it can continue to spread. but it also wants to become less viral, less likely to cause serious disease. it's never to the virus advantage to kill you. it needs you to reproduce itself. you may be seeing the natural evolution of an animal virus as it adapts itself to the human population....

Our vaccines as well as our antibodies. the trouble is just because you see it in the genetic code, you're not actually sure how the virus will behave in the laboratory or humans. the other concern is south africa has seen a spike of cases. the question is is it because the new strain? we are actually getting information from the laboratory over the next two weeks about how these -- this variant behaves with the new -- with the current vaccines. and over the next few weeks, how it behaves in human population. >> doctor krrk, we lost a bit of your audio. i want to clarify. on the timeline piece...

>> adalja, let me begin with you, does this ever end? >> no, this san official spreading respiratory virus. it established itself in the human population it's going to become endemic. the goal is just containment like other respiratory viruses but we're always going to have covid around hopefully in a less threatening manner as we get more people immunized. >> and doctor, wouldn't you think from the past experience we're fooling ours from we thing omicron is not in the united states. >> yeah, i think it is in the united states, we know that case in south africa didn't have any transmission. we...