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To michael jordan. 6:00 this morning a marketing magnate called me and said i want to get the people who advertise through me out of this. ordinary people are really outraged by this, joan. and i don't know how the nba cannot hear all of our voices when you' got so many people that are saying this can't be -- the man's son-in-law just came out. >> well, the son-in-law, he runs day to day operation for the team. >> right. that's an important turning point, rev. it's such a human thing to hear those words and to know he's talking about some of hez players. he's talking about his players' familie...

Then anything that goes against what you believe, what you got in that chain e-mail from your buddies that you trust, anything that goes against that is a lie. >> that's the different information. >> that's evidence in itselfyou >> we're harded in the conspiracy. but it's in a human thing, right? because human beings are created to make -- piece together these facts and make them into stories. >> yes. >> when you have a situation like the plane disappearing, by all accounts the facts that we no are bizarre and strange, and people naturally have this instinct to try to make some sort of sense o...

How do you change the way washington has now become? >> piers, i wrote a column today for linked in, talking about what leaders have to do. you can't just -- he can't hang out with democrats and john boehner can't hang out with republicans. you got to deal with adversaries. when i ran ge we met with a union all the time. ge had strikes in the '60s and '70s. we never had a strike in 21 years. we were talking face-to-face not the day of the negotiation but years in between it. they knew us. we knew their families. this is a human thing. these are the guys that are acting like robots who don't ta...

John boehner said the other night he has never known it so poisonous. how do you change the way washington has now become? >> piers, i wrote a column today for linked in, talking about what leaders have to do. you can't just -- he can't hang out with democrats and john boehner can't hang out with republicans. you got to deal with adversaries. when i ran ge we met with a union all the time. ge had strikes in the '60s and '70s. we never had a strike in 21 years. we were talking face-to-face not the day of the negotiation but the three years in between it. they knew us, we knew their families, we...

You know, remember, there was the whole aqua buddha thing, but, as they are both keenly aware, in there is going to be a completely different ball game. so i think that she is going through a very normal, you know, human thing, which is do i really want this? but i think at the same time, she's also getting very familiar with the idea that this is happening. >> this is evan from buzz feed. first, i want to congratulate you on the physically heaviest and at least the copy i saw most flagrant political profile i've read all 84. >> i'm glad you are enjoying it. >> i want to talk about rand paul's...