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Reconsidering. i think, also, people are reconsidering. people who haven't been vaccinated, yet, are maybe reconsidering because of the fear of the delta virus. we obviously know it is more contagious than the wild variant or earlier variants of the h, n virus. what else can you tell us, in sort of plain language, about the -- what else is different about -- about delta? is it more lethal? does it make people more sick? does it make people sick more quickly? is it more likely to give you long-covid symptoms, even if you recover from it? >> well, we have the answer, definitively, to some of the...

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Bulk of evidence will be such that i personally think the answer will be that unfortunately this virus emerged as a consequence of experiments in a laboratory. it's interesting. sars, which has been here since 2003, went from a bat to humans but never learned how to go to human to human. same with mers. but this virus immediately had an infectivity for humans. it should raise suspicion that somehow this virus was given the opportunity to learn that and that was learned in the laboratory. >> martha: i have to ask you one more question before i go. if that's the case, if this was engineered in a...

From you since this delta variant really took off. what is your take? >> well, i think right now, martha, we're in the midst of substantial increase in infection across the country. the delta variant is really is so more infectious than the u.k. variant. obviously that was more infectious than the nonvariant. so this variant last a great ease to transmit human to human. >> martha: you hear the discussions about children, perhaps not going back to school. another remote year. there was a lot of push back from dr. marty makary in the "wall street journal" saying kids need to be in school and not...

Population, it accounted for nearly 20% of the world's deaths. since then we have gone from being the leading example of industrialized countries of how not to handle a pandemic to a nation tentatively declaring its independence of the virus. this morning we're going to look back to where we've been and look forward to the challenges ahead as the growing variant and vaccine hesitancy pose a threat to our own recovery here. we'll be asking, what could we have done better? what have we learned? why do some people get perilously ill while others remain asymptomatic, and finally, how prepared are ...