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Kirstjen nielsen from dhs. we saw reports leaking out overnight, it's not a matter of if, it's just when she leaves. and a lot of people have said, it might not be she's been our best dhs secretary ever, but that this will just put trump in a position where he loses the person who he had there to handle the problem that he made such a big deal over the campaign. so if this caravan was something we had to put 15,000 troops on the board are for to form that human wall he wanted, if that was such a big deal, why would he then fire the person in charge of that effort? so it seems like dana is sayi...

Troops to the border? >> that's a $220 million question for you. they were sent during the heat of the midterms. that's when president trump announced he will be sending the troops. he even threw out that number of 15,000. we think it could get up to about 7,000 troops. they have this plan to stay on until about mid-december. it's looking like that could be around the time we see the caravan crossing. they could be asked to stay far longer than that. these are people taken from bases here in the u.s. who are not being sent overseas at the moment and they are actually using this as a readiness ...

Trying to build a human wall with the military and that's his symbolic way of telling the congress either you give me the wall and fond of the wall or i will have to have a walk created by the united states military because we all know that the places that people sneak in between the areas are the places the border patrol doesn't cover. >> geraldo: i don't think the military can be used in that fashion. i think the military can, if they want to take water to the border patrol or they want to -- they will be standing there. >> it's the message that they are sending. >> geraldo, thank you. it's ...

That others that we had attempted to get but were unsuccessful. >> let's turn to the president's closing arguments in these days just before the midterm elections. you served on the armed services committee. do you see any reason to send between 10,000 to 15,000 u.s. troops to the border with mexico right now? >> absolutely not. we're sending 10,000 to 15,000 troops, which means we are going to spend between 100 and $150 million so that he can have his -- i guess his surprise, his october surprise, but they can't do anything. they can't arrest anyone. i hope to god they can't shoot anyone. so ...