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>> humor you. >> he lied to a bunch of people, including the vice president, which is the reason the president fired him. it wasn't just, like, the g-men who got him. he was telling this lie all over town. >> this was a scheme. it was a narrative he was trying to maintain throughout the transition period and into his time in office. i'm not convinced that it was just to protect the president. remember, michael flynn was freelancing on a whole variety of issues, including a u.s./russia nuclear reactor plan that would have required the u.s. to lift sanctions on russia for it to work. michael fly...

Maturity, that amount of training, that amount of education, should have been in the perfect position to know exactly what was expected of him during an interview with law enforcement officials at the federal level. i mean, he would have known unequivocally. in fact, in his position as the director of dia, he was often forced into taking acts against employees who had failed to live up to their obligations. >> yeah. that is a great point. there's also the other problem with this, natasha, from just -- i mean, it's not a serious argument, but for the moment, pretending it is -- >> humor you. >>...

>> well, i don't accept that argument, chris, quite frankly. i think the special prosecutor outlined it very clearly. somebody with that amount of experience, with that amount of maturity, that amount of training, that amount of education, should have been in the perfect position to know exactly what was expected of him during an interview with law enforcement officials at the federal level. i mean, he would have known unequivocally. in fact, in his position as the director of dia, he was often forced into taking acts against employees who had failed to live up to their obligations. >> yeah. t...