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Now at seaworld getting ahold of me and talking about aggressive incidents. and there were i don t know how many documented. almost 100 documented incidents of aggression between trainers and whales, and you know, there could be 1,000 undocumented ones. these are animals, obviously incredibly frustrated, incredibly bored, who are all prone or can kill or definitely attack trainers. and do. and that came out in the osha here in which i attended. it was an eye opening experience to hear from the seaworld employees who were on the stand who with there are not voluntarily and being questioned by the osha attorneys and having to acknowledge the number of incidents that were not, in fact, recorded. they have 100 incidents on record. and some that were never recorded. i ll put up quickly that seaworld is planning to appeal that. jack, let me ask you this. do you think it s possible that trainers at seaworld interacting ....
You saw. what do you mean by that and how so? i think it s a moving piece of media. for me there s a personal side to it which is dawn is a friend of mine. it s hard to watch that scab be picked emotionally over and over. that was difficult. professionally i have a hard time with it as well. i felt like the film distracted people from what is really important about whales and dolphins, and that s the challenges they face this the wild and the responsibility that we have to conserve them. and part of the conservation is have the animals in the care to learn from. it s critical. it s critical for us to learn as scientists. it s critical for kids and other generations. gabriela, let me ask you this, when you took on the project, this was to be a focus on how could a trainer be killed by an animal they cared so much for, right? that s right. but it clearly progressed. you obviously had a change of mind or you found a different focus. yeah, you know, i didn t come from animal acti ....
With the creatures in the water again? and you re going to get the final water here. they say what happens is countries change the leadership. they go back to hunting whales again. the research and education that seaworld is providing all of us is indescribable. i hate to see that go. as far as going back into the water, that s yet to be seen. i wish i knew the answer to that question. if seaworld trainers are contacting you guys, what they just said, they should leave seaworld. that s like saying, oh, i can t climb a building and clean windows anymore. let s get out of here. that s unbelievable these trainers are calling them and saying that. seaworld has done a great job. just like they took the california condor and brought it back to the wild now. example after example. plus one last thing. did you thank seaworld for the beautiful whale they saved with jj the whale that came there? they knew it was too big for the tank. jack, nobody is going to ....
But it seems that the most important thing that we learned from having whales in captivity is ironically that they should not be in captivity. jack, what about this point? that seaworld, of course, really introduced us to these creatures, to these animals, almost where we fell in love, and many people would say they did fall in love, but they are now faced with this dilemma people fall in love and care. if i care, how could it be possible we keep the animals in a cement pool? how do you answer that? again, i m not a whale researcher or whale expert. all i see is what i see at sea world. animals that see happy, that are eating, that are breeding. i m not sure about the life spans. i know they do research in the wild. is the research in the wild 100%? absolutely not. i ve been doing this 42 years. i ve interviewed researchers all over the world at the whale. you have to love something to save something. we use the word captivity, by the way. what is captivity, by the way? ....
And it turns out there s a massive demand for it. okay. there is president obama yesterday saying there is still some quirks in the health exchange web site, but that the demand for obamacare is massive. so what about the supply of doctors? our next guest knows about that. that s the piece of the puzzle that the president has not addressed in public. dr. paul is the president of the new york county medical society. joins us live today. good morning to you. good morning. what do you think? it sounds like a simple question. actually it s rather profound. i think that to say that obamacare is about providing health care coverage to the uninsured is like saying moby dick is a book about hunting whales. that it s so much more than that and implications against doctor-patient relationship can be profound. absolutely. in what way? redefines how doctors are organized with accountable care organizations. redefines how doctors are paid. it redefines how medicare is ....