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>> well i don't put a lot of credence into it ana here's the reason. any pilot worth his salt flying into an area of thunderstorms is going to put continuous ignition on his engines, which means the igniter is constantly going. it's like turning the key on your car constantly inn case it stalls. that's what you're supposed to do. in the situation with icing, you could get into a situation where you have to kind of restart the engine. there have been engines that have flamed out in the past and cut out. now, let's assume for a moment that that didn't happen, that that system failed or the pilot...

These are some of the dangers in thunderstorms. can i also say that the heavyweight of water, the ingestion of the water into the engines can, in fact cause the engines to flame out. but you know that would not in itself cause an act of this nature. it's more likely that the aircraft in some way, the pilots lost control of the aircraft and it may have entered some form of aerodynamic instability from which they never recovered. >> if it were icing that caused that instability, would pilots have been alerted from some kind of a censoring system and how much time would they have to try to fix th...

Al let's turn theal alistair for that. >> is it likely that icing could have led to the plane's downfall? >> well icing is indeed one of the major dangers of flying inside a thunderstorm. and as your meteorologist pointed out, the aircraft can pass through layers in the atmosphere in those clouds where you can pick up icing. it can affect you two ways. one, it can impact on the engines but -- forming ice on the air intake. it can also form ice on the flying surface, the leading edge of the wing and tail and the aerodynamics and even the weight of ice canning prevent the aircraft from flying no...

Search. we know the uss "fort worth" is joining the effort it's equipped with special technology, the side-scan sonar ability to map the ocean floor. because it is so bad for divers in terms of seeing where they're going it seems like they may not be as effective at this point in the search. how important are these electronics? >> oh i think they're very important, indeed now that we've seen the conditions that prevail. side scan sonar particularly the sort they will probably have on the "fort worth" is very sophisticated and it can show a very good picture of what's on the seabed. and from th...

He could take evasive action. he would have the collision avoidance system on board that aircraft to avoid hitting another aircraft. so to the extent that it affected that in the moment in that storm i'm not so certain. to the extent this says something about how the airline operates, that's something we'll have to keep watching as time goes on here. >> kind of makes you wonder how does indonesia operate in terms of enforcing regulations and could there be other things slipping through the cracks? doesn't exactly give travelers confidence does it? >> no it doesn't. and it -- you know it's a qu...