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Moment in the campaign? >> yeah. that certainly is part of the problem, thomas. the other is, it's not true what paul ryan said. romney wasn't being inarticulate. he was expressing a point of view in a kind of way the public doesn't see it is very unattractive and also a view that it is wrong and hypocrite call. the idea half of americans don't pay federal income taxes and that makes them entitled victims who feel dependent, it's not true. those people all pay payroll taxes, most of them the social security taxes people pay account for more taxes than income taxes for most americans today and ...

Hate paying taxes crowd that gathered around the country is this idea half of the country doesn't pay taxes at all. 47% of people are free loaders. they don't pay taxes. can you explain where that number came from and what it really means? >> right. there are a couple -- there are two separate dodges in that number. one is that it's a number about federal income tax. so that is one of about four or five taxes most of us pay. it's interesting. it shows the bias of this conversation. for people who make a fair amount of money, congressmen, for instance, we primarily pay federal income tax. that ...