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ex-president very clear publicly known efforts and plot to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election. a series of court battles over the last few weeks have largely gone in special counsel jack smith's favor, resulted if a whole slew of new trump officials and allies now being ordered to testify. some big names, none of them bigger than the one, vice president mike pence, news broke on tuesday that a federal judge had ordered him to answer questions under oath regarding conversations that may involve illegality on donald trump's part. here's what mike pence told nbc news about all of ...

Of today's gop, they want to make it harder for young people to vote, harder for communities of color to vote. it's all out in the open. i wonder what you think to eddie's point about a party at odds with democracy, again, what you think the potential political cost is for that? >> it's enormous, nicolle. i think eddie's right on hitting on this notion that you shouldn't piss off the young people. bad for the gop politically, a party that spent the past decade or two trying to talk about bigger a tent party but at the same time is trying to literally shut the door and the ballot on the young p...

Restrictions before saying they were xenophobic or didn't do much to help. do you think the calculus changes now that they're in the driver's seat? >> yeah. i think we're old enough to remember when donald trump announced travel bans, we said this is pointless. why do it? sure, it's a little bit hypocrite call, but because you have to show movement. i think the worst thing that can happen for a politician is when someone in joe biden's situation is looking like you're sitting back and waiting. even if the science, to your point, says we won't know for a couple of weeks but if joe biden waited ...

>> it will affect thousands upon thousands that will force them to stay in mexico in horrendous conditions. we've had advisories put out to say it is not safe for us to travel there. but for these people there. people being kidnapped and women raped, people being trafficked. enough is enough. enough is enough. >> do you see it as hypocrite call seeing this policy using title 42. a policy mike pence had to install in the first place. is it hypocritical you are using title 42 to keep people out regardless of their vaccination policy meanwhile tourists are about to be let in come

About the jobs and home health care and taxes raised on the wealthy. i wouldn't fall into this trap. it's an important issue of course. claire and i went through this in 2011. i would shrug your shoulders and say, we'll do this. deeply hypocrite call but that shouldn't surprise us now. be out there. every member of congress, administration officials, governors and mayors go out there not just talking about what they're going to do but also the entire republican party is opposing these things that are deeply, deeply troubling. >> very quickly for both of you. i'll start with you, david, as a st...