Children in detention centers and stealing them away from their parents. >> what is the gap in your view, having looked at the human toll, between reasonably secure borders, which a lot of people want, and what is currently being called zero tolerance enforcement? >> the way that donald trump describes what's happening down on the border in washington, d.c., is just about as far removed from reality as it could possibly be. there is no crisis on the border. it's about as safe as it can get on the american side. those are some of the safest cities in the united states of america, despite the vi...