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committee? you know in the next few weeks you'll hear the public hearings of the committee. i'm surprised that he's not a part of that, but that tells me they actually wanted to get answers and not have the greatest show on earth that would happen in front fortof th cameras. the fact that he entered into a subpoena, answered it and answered questions. he is a person that was actively trying to ask legislators to overturn an election, to overturn the will of the people. so they have rudy giuliani testify for a nine-hour period? i bet they have a lot of information from him. >> i'm sur...

But i know from the outside that clarence thomas, who was an outcast conservative when he joined the court in 1991, is now at the idealogical center of the court. that's how much the court has changed. >> listen, the leak of the draft opinion on roe was a huge blow to the court's integrity. it was unprecedented. could some of the justices be looking at roberts and thinking that he has lost control of the ship? >> absolutely. i think that's what thomas implicitly was saying that, you know, in the old days under chief justice ranquist, the ship ran smoothly and roberts has lost control. that's t...