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Get out of this. we need to beat donald trump. they're comfortable with biden, they know biden, they've known him for some time. and i don't think that's going to go away. we have not seen that good away in the polling. so i think voters have pretty much made up their minds. but, i do think he has to compete. he has to do well in the states before south carolina. >> one of the things that these debates have brought out, i think, is a real concern among a lot of democratic voters that the party was moving too far to the left. you know, when they started talking about providing health insurance ...

There was a fight between purity politics and electable candidates. we'll see what happens in the primary season if people can win a general election or if they resort to the idealogically pure candidates who may captivate the interests of these more liberal voters but may not do so well in general election. >> it's energized by what they see as the radical party. certainly tchls tit was the sam president trump and with obama in 2010. there is a bit of the texas obsession on the left. but here's why i think the democrats have a right to be excited about that this year. not because of the state...

Consider idealogically pure, such as closing gitmo. a lot of liberals feel health care didn't go far enough. there are a lot, a lot of people who don't want to have troops in afghanistan for example. bill: but they're still going to vote for him, right? >> i think when robert gibbs says there is no disappointment, either they're completely out of touch with reality or just saying that because there is lot of disappointment from the left. >> let's be clear. on health care he got the left-most program he could through congress. the reason why he didn't do single-payer or public option there were...

Caucuses have never been more idealogically pure. but we have to figure out a way to do that. the second thing is in the last two examples where we've had this kind of showdown and this kind of crisis, 1990 and 1995 -- >> i said '94. i meant '95. i'm sorry. >> that's all right. it's memphis. people from chattanooga can count. west tennessee has had a hard time with numbers for a long time. but in those two years, what did you have? you had presidents negotiating. >> yep. >> george h.w. bush lost his job because he did the right thing, and he knew it. bill clinton very well could have. but, you...