necessarily age so much as ideology. the center of gravity and the democratic party has shifted dramatically to the left from a far left of where joe biden was. he may be able to reposition himself a bit by arguing he was barack obama s vice president and obama moved the party to the left but we are talking about people who are in bernie sanders case, a socialist. in elizabeth warren s case, and your socialist. that s with the democratic base is excited by today. two they get excited by joe biden is old-school new deal democratic politics? i m not sure. democrats love him. grassroots democrats, ideology aside, they love joe biden. bret: i should point out i thought this last poll was recent. it was 2015. not really a factor because it was before trump became trump and before he became president. disregard that fox poll from 2015. up against donald trump and
administration s inability to be good process managers. putting partisan process aside, ideology aside, they aren t very good at managing a very complex moment. john kelly s trying to. kelly s trying to regulate the president. he s not running a state department and defense department. he s trying to make donald trump act like a dult and a grown-up manager in the white house and seemed to be succeeding occasionally. the speech is one thing but it s the side deal, the whispered conversation. and without four out of six i think it is undersecretaries of state in place, without the infrastructure, with rex tillerson being the most disengaged secretary of state in my lifetime, that s not going to go as well. you can give a nice speech that doesn t really move the needle as much. if you don t have the people in place ready to do the ground game, you re not going to get what you want diplomatically. when we come back, we have to talk about something that is keeping me up at night. th
cain. he s on both sides. let me try something with you first, joy. let s put all ideology aside, let s put all values aside. let s just think about strange guts. this guy seems to be fearless to me. i know he had a pullback on the civil rights bill. we all went through that with him because he was a complete ideologue and didn t want to defend what was nobody wants to hear that. there s no reason to pose civil rights these days. nobody is going to listen to it. generally he s stuck to his guns. a guy a robert de niro should play in the movies like in mean streets who wants to get into fights and figures that how he s going to get there. he doesn t want to get into fights, he s willing to take on the fights no one else is will to take on. he is not a patsy for the gop.
sakes. he was a big defender of herman ca cain. he s on both sides. let me try something with you first, joy. let s put all ideology aside, let s put all values aside. let s just think about strange guts. this guy seems to be fearless to me. i know he had a pullback on the civil rights bill. we all went through that with him because he was a complete ideologue and didn t want to defend what was nobody wants to hear that. there s no reason to pose civil rights these days. nobody is going to listen to it. generally she s stuck with h ll guns. a guy a robert de niro should play in the movies like in mean streets who wants to get into fights and figures that how he s going to get there. he doesn t want to get into fights, hees will to take on the fights no one else is will to take on. he is not a patsy for the gop. there are reasons people don t take shots at bill
right there. i m still speaking. i m still speaking. that s the way my wife talks to my 4-year-old. i m still talking. but he also just if you just pure lly superficially, he look like a ceo running a meeting. sitting in the middle of the table, most of the questions directed at him. he was steering the conversation. it looked like it was his debate and he was running a meeting. mike, there was my first problem, i suppose. i said, nobody here other than maybe huntsman, ideology aside, forget ideology, can touch mitt romney. romney has gotten so much better over the past four years. it s stunning. and last night, i m just talking stylistically, he looked like the grown-up there. along with huntsman who i ve got to say is the grown-up. is really coming into his own. he was very nervous and shaky his first debate.