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Similarly, in libya, gadhafi, terrible dictator, gotten rid of. right now isis is gaining ground in libya because of all the destabilization in the region and all of the turmoil. so i think what you need is coalitions, broad coalitions, to work together to create a process by which we remove people or by through democratic change. >> well, but the problem, as secretary clinton pointed out, is that isis and a lot of the people that you want in this coalition, you know, arab boots on the ground rather than u.s. boots on the ground, they're more concerned with assad than they are isis. and if our...

We gave them iraq with the second-largest oil reserves in the world. they're taking over iraq as you speak to me this morning, so we gave them one of the best deals ever made and, by the way, they're taking that money now and they're giving it to russia and others where they're buying armaments which nobody ever reports. >> do you stick by the idea that the middle east would be more stable today with saddam hussein and ga ka if i gadhafi in power? >> 100%. 100%. there's not even -- is there even a doubt in your mind? and wunt have the migration and you wouldn't have people coming over to this ...

You were talking about, look, we could get rid of saddam hussein but that destabilized an entire region. we could get rid of gadhafi, but that created a vacuum for isis and we could get rid of assad tomorrow but that would create another political vacuum. let me ask you this -- would the middle east be more stable today with saddam, gadhafi, and assad all sort of strong men in charge? >> well, the answer is all three of those guys are terrible dictators and the goal is through a democratic process to get rid of terrible dictators. but the truth, the simple answer to your question is, i think y...