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So -- for me to tell you. >> we also have an exclusive look this morning at the tactics that a s.w.a.t. team employed to arrest dzhokhar tsarnaev. even in the tense final moments as team members slowly approached the boat, they did not know if tsarnaev would pull a weapon out or maybe an explosive device. they described their precise movements to anderson cooper. listen. >> we got close enough that at one point where both of his hands were up because of the rocking back and forth, both of his hands were up, we could see that there were no weapons in them, no ignition devices we broke away from...

>> we got close enough that at one point where both of his hands were up because of the rocking back and forth, both of his hands were up, we could see that there were no weapons in them, no ignition devices we broke away from the shield protective cover. and we just rushed him. put hands on him, grabbed him and pulled him off the boat down onto the grounds. >> all right the reason the s.w.a.t. team immediately pulled off his shirt was to check if he was wearing explosives inside a suicide vest, perhaps. let's bring in jim walsh, cnn's international security analyst. we heard from jake tapper....

Us out in a suicide type manner. he did that a couple of times as we're still approaching him. we got close enough that at one point where both of his hands were up because of the rocking back and forth. both of his hands were up, we could see there were no weapons in them. no ignition devices we broke away from the shield protective cover. and we just rushed him. we put hands on him, grabbed him and pulled him off the boat. >> amazing. coming up at 5:30 eastern, we're going to talk to cnn international security analyst jim walsh about what tsarnaev is apparently communicating to investigators...

Inside of the boat out of our view. i know everybody here -- we've spoken about it. each time he did that we had to assume he was reaching for a weapon, a firearm or some type of explosive ignition device to try to draw us in and then take us out in a suicide-type manner. he did that a couple of times as we were still approaching towards him. we got close enough that at one point where both of his hands were up because of the rocking back and forth, both of his hands were up. we could see there were no weapons, no ignition devices. we broke away from the shield protective cover and just rushed...

Boat with one leg hanging over the side. >> when you first saw him what did you think? >> this is the target. this is the job. we're almost done with this and let's do it. you know, let's just do what we're trained to do. you know, this is the suspect. we're trained to go in and apprehend him. you could see one hand was clear. each time he went back his hand went down inside the boat out of our view and i know everybody here, we've spoken about it, each time he did that we had to assume that he was reaching for either a weapon, a firearm, or some type of explosive ignition device to try to dra...