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Conversation right before the commercial break, don, the group is talking about why the president doesn't do a press conference. it's clear to me it's image control. every time he moves he wants to control like he did on the apprentice his image. as soon as he does a appreciation conference, his image is affected. as soon as you get a leak your image is affected. whether you're barack obama, president trump, though, the first rule of politics is you lie during the campaign and the second rule is as soon as you get elected, somebody is going to leak about what they hear when you're in office. t...

John mccain are nonexistent. this is tweet from the president. the president says the so-called leaks coming out of the white house are massive over exaggeration put out by the fake news media to make us look as bad as possible. with that being said, leakers are traitors and cowards, and we will find out who they are. so can we just break down what the president is saying there because the folks who are leaking -- >> no. >> are his people. he's saying the people who work for him in the white house who are all leakers and they're traitors and cowards. he's calling his own people -- not to menti...

Vetting. we had a new secretary of state confirmed by a very narrow margin, the narrowest margin ever by the full senate. you've got ronny jackson put forward by the president. he with draws his nomination. does experience matter less? you have to defer to the president as he to who he thinks should be the leader of the agencies. what's the status of experience, having the proper or right experience today. you mentioned people's hearts getting cold to the way that things are. are we at a point where professional expertise no longer matters as much as it should in water? >> no, i don't think it...

>> you described some naivety there. how difficult was it to be you amy chozick? >> i thought i'm covering the first woman president for the paper of record. the more i dug into the relationship, there was a lot of bad blood between their world and ours dating back to the '90s, from whitewater that was passed on from editor to editor. at one point one of her aides blamed me for whitewater, which was i was like 12. the country thinks the liberal "new york times" but there's a serious toxic relationship that continued into 2016.

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