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Before that this was inevitable. i'm not sure we reached the bottom of the well to see how high that number is going to. the lack of transparency have been symptomatic of this administration, in fact this whole instance is symptom, not the problem. >> you really believe that this comes from the top, this isn't a tom price problem, that it is a presidential problem? >> make no mistake about it, tom price has a problem and his behavior was extraordinary. look at the devastation that surrounds you where you are right now, and his behavior showed he had absolutely no concept of public service. but...

Assets, he's traveling regularly to his properties to give them free advertising. he wore his hat when he talked about recovery efforts. it's inevitable that kind of message is going to trickle down through the cabinet, and hopefully not, likely loaner that to really infect the administration at all levels unless the president himself changes the tone. >> richard, is this the end of plane gaite with other official? >> i todoubt it. nothing by way of adequate controls in this administration. in the bush administration, we had to sign off on charter plane travel, anything but commercial travel b...

Richard's not kidding you when he talks about how strict he was in the bush house. i was at the office of government ethics and worked with richard and i saw how his counterparts in fact obama administration handled this. sure in history there have been isolated instances of misuse of government planes and other things, but this problem is metastasized in this administration. as richard pointed out, we're learning more and more people did this. i think we're not only going to learn that the price is higher than we thought, but we're going to find this is true in other areas as well. >> yeah. w...