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Opportunity to make these kinds of campaigns work. >> jon: scott, was this an anti-trump votes, anti-trump election result? >> i don't think so. as you pointed out, there were multiple republicans in the race, now you have one democrat versus one republican. for all the money spent, democrats in this race just slightly better than hillary clinton did and obviously the turnout for a special election is different than it is in a presidential race. i think at the end of the day, democrats have a message problem. hillary clinton had a message problem in that she really didn't have one. i'm not cer...

>> i think it is fair to say that the outside intervention, the combination of the comey letter on october 28th, wikileaks, which played a much bigger role than i think many people understand yet, had the determinative effect. >> do you -- perhaps the text still of a sense of denial there? >> a little bit. i don't want to -- it was a factor. i think comey and russia did play a factor. i don't want to say it didn't. there were so many other things and you're kind of blind if you don't accept these other factors. there was a message problem. there was an image problem. her likability. all these ...

>> kimberly: i can relate to that kind of torture, bob. >> bob: are we going to make the announcement? let me ask you. you have the secretary of defense and you have the cia, new director of the cia, both being caught off guard by this as well. >> kimberly: what did he say? he said he's going to defer to them. he's going to live listen to mattis and pompeo. he gave his opinion. it's accurate. we've used it. it has spend successful. ask khalid sheikh mohammed. >> bob: they have a little bit of a message problem in terms of getting the people responsible, making laws or implementing policy. shou...

Election is something to relitigate. >> right, for a lot of people, including the clinton campaign, george, they still have not come to grips with any other reason why they have lost other than either jim comey's letter or russian interference. >> well, and the president, in his npr interview said it's a message problem and i'm going to coach them so they will do better in the future. now, this is a man who has presided over the worst losses in his own party of any two-term president. senators, governors, members of the house. a thousand state legislative seats and he says well now i'm going t...

For a lot of that. so, yeah, the democrats are in a strange situation, because the next four years are going to be disastrous from a democratic and liberal point of view, but that doesn't mean that they did everything wrong in this campaign. they didn't. >> when you say she was pop kbru list, and this is a message problem, a lot of folks in the democratic problem saberny was the populist choice and at a messaging left, trump seemed to steal that appeal, even if we're now learning we've got goldman sachs and exxon running the so-called fixing of the rigged system. >> he stole it on the big issu...