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>> and indian. >> and interestingly you're saying that as you get away from that immigrant experience, the sort of benefits of it, what you're calling benefits of it are dissipating. >> yes. when you get less insecure, when you don't feel your survival is on the line, you feel less of an outsider, then predictably you're less motivated. >> and that sense of being an outsider is important. it spurs people onward. >> yeah. and at the end of the day, the book has been controversial i think for the wrong reasons. at the end of the day it comes down to individuals. the book is about individuals. an...

He had to prove himself, had to do more and more his whole life. and i think a lot of successful people combine these two things. >> a lot of our successful groups are immigrant groups. mo mormons and jews are two other groups that feel they don't look up to us enough, we need to prove ourselves. >> the groups doing well in the united states -- >> have these three at the moment. >> you talked about mormons. >> the groups we look at, like in 2012 who was topping these charts, they include mormons, jews, iranian americans, lebanese americans, nigerian americans, cuban americans and chinese ameri...

Forward to success? >> in combination they generate this like i need to show everybody. not separately but in combination. >> the book has received criticism. one says that it is a new form of racism. >> i don't get that. you can see from the title it's as much as the rise and decomplain. the groups that are successful change over time. it's not like these are eight better groups. the groups better today will not be the same ten years from now. >> and the immigrant experience has a lot to do with it. first generation, second generation. >> very much so. almost all immigrants feel insecure in a...

Open the arts section of today's "new york times," you'll find glowing praise from a tough book critic. she says he is the funniest living arthur that writes about the immigrant experience. >> readers associate with you two words -- little. >> because of your small stature. >> and failure. >> little, failure. it is funny and it is true. >> after the hundreds of books i have sold for random house. after i've been translated into one language. >> canadian isn't a language

Out of my -- my grandmother, with an irish accent, the protestant in the family, presbyterian, like mrs. doubtfire. grew up with that. she came up. used to stare men the eye. it was africa wasn't it. eerie old world thing. the great thing about the peace corps like being an immigrant. the immigrant experience. go to a different culture. have to live and fit in two years. you get a sense of what it is look to come here from europe. interesting. from anywhere. >> when you got to washington, your first job is a cop? >> fits us doesn't it? don't know whether a classic. >> look step with this. >> r...