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Have much leverage over him by the constitution doesn't give her any. the only way to make this work i suppose is to mount some sort of public pressure to demand witnesses. if mcconnell has the votes, he can run this trial anyway he wants to. >> bret: brit, do you get a sense not only on the ukraine but with this new talk about possibly looking back at the mueller report and theen documents the house is trying to get from the mueller investigation, the democrats are trying to find something even with more time to maybe even stick that into an impeachment article. >> that's what it sounds like....

Leverage over him and the constitution doesn't give her and the and the only way to make this work is public pressure to demand witnesses. mcconnell has the votes. he could run this trial anyway he wants to. >> bret: brit, do you get the sense on the ukraine issue but with his new talk about possibly looking back at the mueller report and the documents that the house was trying to get from the mueller investigation that democrats are trying to find something even with more time to maybe even stick that into an impeachment article? >> that's what it sounds like that all of it adds up to the sam...

The four witnesses we have called have not been heard from. that is the difference, and it is a difference totally overwhelming. >> tonight schumer also suggesting start dates for the trial and giving ideas how it should be handled. political experts say public now could later lead to democrats accusing republicans of not holding a fair trial. majority leader mitch mcconnell expected to talk about all of the smoke machine end. >> shannon: we will be listening mark meredith, thank you very much. the house impeachment article just days away and sparking serious backlash outside of the beltway....

Basically the process. eventually it's going to get to how much time? who is going to talk and those kinds of decisions. it is historic and the reason we are looking at this is because this is only the third time in the history of our country that this has happened. we need to remember that in the big picture that no matter where you are ideologically, it's a moment in time. i think to your point, a lot of voters have already determined how they think about it one way or the other. they are looking to next year to make their own decision in the election. >> harris: you hear senator dick durbin...

Feared when they wrote the impeachment article. impeachment is the proper response by house democrats in this situation. >> always great to get your perspective. former representative david jolly, appreciate your time with us tonight. the rest of the panel stays with us. see you soon. coming up, education, not impeachment. it was the topic of the day for 2020 presidential candidates at msnbc's public education forum. r insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar? thanks, lady. taxi! only pay for what you need. ♪ l...