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Chairmanship. >> the nunes memo is a dud. >> the devin nunes memo backfired on them. >> this is what all of the hype was about? it was like a sad trombone. [trombone noise] >> laura: more like a trumpet. course, the talking heads praised schiff. >> this is a case of nunes baselessly claim, and schiff came back with a ten page body blow. >> a very clear and lawyer like rebuttal of specific facts. >> the schiff memo definitely fills in some of the gaps in the nunes memo, and it's much more consistent with actually how the fbi obtains these things. >> laura: will now we know those blithering idio...

Democratic campaign headquarters. but this impeachment. these articles are saying donald trump must be impeached for what he has done and he must be impeached for what he will obviously continue to do. >> i think that's the most important part of the impeachment article. on page five, nine pages. on page five there is a line. they say that you need remove donald trump from office. he has made clear if not, he'll continue to abuse the powers of his office in exactly this way. it's not a retroactivishment. you're trying to keep him from doing this again. you're trying to keep him from distorting...

Both ambassador volker in his deposition and yermak in an august "new york times" article denied that mayor giuliani was speaking to president trump as his agent. irn stea instead, as ambassador volker explained, rudy giuliani saw them as a conduit in which they could change the president's mind. the second allegation at issue, of course, is whether the president obstructed congress by not agreeing to all the demands of documents for testimony. as someone with experience in investigations, and i strongly agree with congress' number one authority, but this impeachment article is responded to dr...

Really moved by the ukraine story and what an affront that was to u.s. he national security, but the president's willingness to interfere with and obstruct this investigation can't be ignored and will likely constitute impeachment article. it's hard to put together an article of impeachment that deals with obstruction that ignores the damning information in the second roll of the mueller report. >> right. >> so while the mueller report itself has lots of other aspects to it, mr. mueller was really clear in the way he presented the okay instruction discussion. he made it clear that he was going...

We don't know what it is or the details behind that. that's all that happened today. the folks that know more, charlie savage washington correspondent for the new york city times, anita kumar, political white house correspondent, glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst. that could be a one-hour show just on those few things n. the five or six minutes we've got with you, let's kick it off with you, charlie. what do you make of the three developments today? >> well, the first one that interests me are the fact that democrats will have two different presentations, one by barry berke and goad man fro...