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Like your whole government and nation in australia, are betting the farm on future technologies because you don't want to face present—day realities — that actually what would make a difference today, for example, is a carbon tax, a pollution tax, which you and your government in australia have always shied away from. isn't that, here and now, the best solution? ok, so, stephen, i mean... you can try and fence me into this. you know, you're a bit of a hypocrite. yeah, heavy manufacturing, you shouldn't be doing this, that. all i can say, stephen, we need solutions. we need solutions right ...
Ok, so, stephen, i mean, you can try and fence me into this. you know, you're a bit of a hypocrite. yeah, heavy manufacturing, you shouldn't be doing this, that. all i can say, stephen, we need solutions. we need solutions right now. fortescue's implementing solutions right now. we are big believers in green hydrogen. we believe, unlike a carbon tax, it'll actually save you money. it's like a carbon tax in reverse. now, are politicians, are you asking, very good at spending other people's money and putting a carbon tax on? yeah, they are. do i have a view on that? no, i don't. what i would lik...