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Page warrant, it is not clear that the fruits of that warrant have played any substantial role in the subsequent investigation. carter page himself has not been indicted. so it is not clear that this is a meaningful contributor to the current mueller investigation. and so the fact that we have weeks of hysterical build-up to this release is -- is entirely a political phenomenon, not a phenomenon about the actual mueller investigation or the actual state of the trump-russia discussion. >> kelly, it didn't try to impugn mueller. i think people thought the memo would try to impugn mueller, so wha...

Impugn mueller's boss, rod rosenstein. >> can you detail for us that it is only four pages, right? a fisa warrant is a massive document. four selected pages of just devin nunes and his team's words, when adam schiff has a memo they don't want out. if john kelly says, let's let it all out, that ain't what this is. >> right. i think part of the other thing going on, and this is where the law meets the reality tv theater, is there always something that feels potentially nefarious about a secret. when the nixon tapes were secret and then they came out, they had extra pop. donald trump's biggest co...

Josh? >> she said they have no intention to fire him. that opens up a broad avenue to turn around and fire him later on if republicans decide and circumstances warrant. but the obvious goal here i think is to impugn mueller's credibility, to undermine the investigation, to turn this into every other political issue in the country and make it about a partisan divide about republicans versus democrats, about stoking these tribal feelings so if trump or somebody in trump's inner circle is indicted or mueller comes forward, they can waive it off and say this is a partisan issue and not really true...

Can anybody explain to me how robert mueller's investigation is described as pair, impartial and not biassed. a lot of questions being raised about, okay, this team that literally has covered for hillary clinton and put all these biassed people going after donald trump, what would it take to get rid of a special counsel. >> it's no coincidence the only people raising questions about the impartiality about robert mueller and his investigation on russia are trump and his allies. the hunt for something, anything to impugn mueller has been a white whale of sorts not only for the fox news, but for

The agent who ran the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and was the top dog on the russia probe until he was let go of it because of his political persuasion, this gives the president ammunition, does it not? >> if you look at the president's zigzagging political strategy on how you deal with mueller and the investigation, and if you go back to may, and you had people like steve bannon still in the white house, and as i wrote in my book, he was ready to throw hey makers at bob mueller, and they started spreading to reporters the idea on mueller's team, they donated to democrats, they were b...