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Reduce risk, increase returns, increase client focus, increase long-term focus, increase innovation, all which i think wall street could use, what we've seen is we've actually seen a step back, which is not unusual in a downturn that people sort of circle the wagons, not because they're bad people, but because we're under a lot of stress, we like being with people like ourselves. >> so what you saw was a retreat in terms of the forward movement on gender equality? >> 100%. >> and where do you see it now and what do you think needs to be done? >> well, you know, i'd love to say that, you know, ...

Being open and listening and pursuing your dreams. and really learning not to listen to no. you know no sometimes is just a temporary setback and you have to go back and learn something different to turn the no into a yes. >> so you now, you -- came up in the business world, cover of fortune magazine. you were called one of the eight most prominent power brokers on wall street, and then what happened? tell your story. >> i got fired. >> we know about that in harlem -- >> i shared it with everyone. yeah, you know look what i would say is that women you talked about have been moving side ways fo...

Yeah, you know, look, what i would say is that women you talked about have been moving sideways for a period of time. unfortunately, on wall street, we've been moving backwards. and despite the fact that gender diversity has been shown to reduce risk, increase returns, increase client focus, increase long-term focus, increase innovation, all which i think wall street could use. what we've seen is we've actually seen a step back which is not unusual in a downturn that people sort of circle the wagons. not because they're bad people but because when we're under a lot of stress, we like being wit...