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That is white house counsel versus someone like giuliani, who is representing the president. so he has seen that. i think we also have to consider the way in which the president is also trying to wage a public relations battle here, right? he s trying to win in the court of public opinion before the facts come out. and having an effect. and seems to be having a real from his perspective, christine, a positive impact. if you look at the polls, they re suggesting there s a lot more questions than their were months ago about this investigation. if i was donald trump, i d be less worried about the polls and more worried about the investigation. that s really the only voice that s going to speak in this matter. i just want to stress at this point, there s been much reporting, that the president doesn t seem to understand the role of counsel to the presidency. when i was speaker to the city counsel, we had a general council to the city council. it took much explaining to ....

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