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City to save it, what kind of victory is that? beyond that, they would love to have some real success in the east, and, of course, they're really not achieving all that much. they're getting grinding, grudging success there, the ukrainian soldiers giving up a bit of ground in some areas, but by and large this massive armor defensive that many anticipated just has not materialized. and i think it is once again a sign of the ineptitude, frankly, rushed forces that were withdrawn to belarus, pushed people and equipment into them, plussed them back up and brought them all the way around and shoved...

Everyone whenever anyone is throwing out numbers, you have to keep something in mind that the number of combat troops that are literally engage edd in combat operations on the front lane whether they're infantry engineers, aviation whatever there's usually about a 3 to 1 ratio. if you do the math you're only at 5,000 to 7,000 real involved combat troops where everyone else is that pail that goes behind it, the support, the medical. when you hear that 20,000 you have to put it in perspective. >> even if you cut that number down, they still have a 2-1 advantage over the enemy. how is that playin...