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Much intelligence public over the last several weeks that he has a false flag operation and other things. do you think that's had an effect on the strategy about putin? >> well, i'm not sure i'd go that far. i think it's certainly been a distraction to him. it's been somewhat disruptive, but i think putin's mind is made up, and he might improvise as he goes. i think he'd do that anyway. that said, i completely support what the administration is doing and using intelligence, but we must contest against the russians in the information operations space. it remains to be seen how much impact that'...

Can only do that for so long. so there is a time limit, i don't know what it is. but there is one. >> before we go, director clapper, this has been a very public effort by the u.s. to declassify and share its intelligence. sometimes day by day on what it sees of russian movements here. of course, russia makes its own claims, many of them false as well, but it is an information war going on. who do you think is winning that facet of the war? the u.s. or russia? the u.s. and nato or russia? >> well, i think we're -- i think it is a draw right now. and i, for one, am a supporter of using intellig...