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>> it does mean that. there's that very real potential. with michael cohen, it appears, given the fact he went to the, apparently, initially, to the special counsel, didn't -- wasn't truthful with them as a footnote shows, and then went up to the southern district and had sort of a partial cooperation up there, that he was slow in realizing that he had to come forward, and that's why this information is kind of dribbled out, out of him, and i think what's going on, he's got a very savvy lawyer, principal criminal lawyer, as well as one who is sort of handling the public side of this, and i thi...

Point because he's under prosecution for other crimes he's committed and tax evasion, other dishonest comments, to want to work with the prosecution to go after somebody else, if that makes his sentencing more lenient. >> right, for sure, but i just want to make the point, mark, you're right about that, of course, but they are saying that his -- the information he's provided has been, quote, consistent with other evidence. they're making a point we're not taking him at his word. >> i hear you that but we don't know what that information is that he's consistent on. it may be something substanti...

That the special counsel has more information about this person and maybe we'll see this in more information that comes forward in this investigation. >> all right. thank you very much, evan. we're going to talk much more about this person. you know, talking about multiple times, about a meeting between putin and trump. we'll get to those details in a moment. i want to go through the southern district of new york's filing on cohen because that was also hugely significant, especially when we talk about whether the president of the united states committed a felony by violating campaign finance l...

Under the circumstances he found himself, i'm sure his lawyers braced him and told him, but i also think the fact that his lawyers did also meet with the white house raises a question that implicates them, and before this is over, i suspect they'll be called to testify somewhere about their ongoing meetings with the white house. >> right, we do understand that there was some sort of, i guess, communication -- i don't want to use the word coordination -- but communication between manafort's legal team and the white house's legal team, which as we've reported would be unusual if not unprecedente...

Think we can assume, and this is good evidence of the fact that the mueller team has a lot of information, text messages, e-mails, documentary information, information that will contradict what they will be hearing or may have already heard from certain witnesses that is going to jam up those witnesses and it's the classic case of mueller and his team probably know the answers to every question they're asking these witnesses and inevitably, some witnesses just don't understand that and end up committing a false statement violation and if nothing else, they're charged with that. >> which is, yo...