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Going on with wikileaks, that i don't think is a crime. it's ugly, but it's not a crime. >> sara, you have been covering roger stone for a while. you know him. you understand him. if, in fact, mueller is trying to squeeze him into cooperating, do you think he will flip? >> i think we saw a very defy andefying roger stone. based on the wait they treated him today, they decided to go through with waking him up, raiding his house, instead of offering him the opportunity to turn himself over. what we have seen sort of throughout this indictment, it doesn't necessarily suggest that they may need hi...

Were on the inside. now, when i read this document, what i also note is he was not a passive actor. it was not him sitting back with the search engine and looking at google. he was very actively working those two individuals identified in the indictment for anything they had, but he doesn't seem to have been in direct contact with wikileaks himself. >> you lay out i think very astutely what is not in here and what could still be to come. but there are some new things in here, including direct references to the trump campaign. let me just read you this paragraph that jump out to us. after july ...

The agents stayed and went into the house and spent time there the answer will be probably yes. if they all left when they to took -- when they took stone out the assistance probably no. >> you've been pouring through this and just so people know why the fbi showed up, they allege high-level of obstruction here by roger stone. k the extents he went to lie and deceive and tamper according to this document is extraordinary. >> jeff just pointed out the volume of contacts. there are an extraordinary -- this isn't one conversation with trump -- this isn't one communication with wikileaks, but then...

Different. >> that's right. when someone's represented by counsel as a rule, and you believe that they'll be cooperative, they'll come into court and voluntarily surrender, you say your client's been indicted, please come in. here, mueller's team had reason to believe that would not be the case. and this is a standard procedure to arrest someone who you don't have a belief that they've come in voluntarily. it could be that they're afraid he'll flee, it could be that there's evidence he would destroy and they wanted the element of surprise. they're going in at the crack of dawn with agents full...

Stone, a senior trump campaign official. this is the first direct link between the trump campaign and roger stone about wikileaks. the trump campaign wants wikileaks information. >> you're right and that's why my first point wads os one of ng that nothing in this prevents mueller from coming back with more substantive charges against stone and whomever that may have been. because, remember, at the crux here what we really want to know is was there an aiding and abetting of an illegal act? in this case the hack of the dnc server by foreign interests, the russians. we still don't know the answer...