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People associated with the trump campaign. as preet was just saying, about exactly this passive voice and this notion of someone being directed, it seems there are very few people that would direct somebody to do something on the trump campaign relating to roger stone, knowing that a relationship exists, very few people, donald trump may be one of them, maybe it's down to just one person. >> do you think -- >> can i add one thing about that? it is not a crime for donald trump, say, to say to his campaign officials, go find out what stone knows about wikileaks. go see what he knows. that is dis...

Preet bharara is joining us. thanks for joining us. stone's lawyer says they found no collusion or they would have charged him with it. do you think that's true? do you think the special counsel could pursue a charge of conspiracy down the road? >> that comment is wrong in several respects. there's no crime of collusion. it's not a legal, technical term. there's conspiracy. there's hacking. there are other crimes. it wouldn't be collusion. as to the second part of the statement, we have seen before that the mueller team will bring charges in one instance and hold things back. it's not clear th...

Happening now, art of the fail. president trump capitulates in his shutdown showdown with democrats agreeing to reopen the government without any funding for his border wall. his surprise retreat includes new threats. mueller gets stone. roger stone is arrested in an early morning raid, accused by robert mueller of obstruction, lying, witness tampering and more. stone is defiandefiant, vowing won't testify against president trump. clear links. the stone indictment reveals the most direct tie so far between the trump campaign and wikileaks over the stolen e-mails that were released to damag...

>> irrelevant. he knew the wikileaks lawyer for 30 years. >> he talked you two days before then. two days earlier when he was talking to you, he asked you what you knew. what is the october surprise? you've been in touch and in dectly with julian assange. can you give us insight? that doesn't sound like a guy who knows more than you? sounds like you know hoar than him. >> again, out of context, assange himself has said he's a clever spinmeister. there's no person who can honestly testify i had any direct communications with wikileaks or julian assange, other than those that were disclosed in a...

>> i missed this one e-mail. i have one million e-mails. the e-mail is benign based on the two pieces of information in it. let's be clear. nowhere do i see that i have direct nukes and assange. assange and wikileaks have correctly repeatedly accurately denied that. there is no evidence to the contrary. i think that provides the correct content. mr. bannon as animus toward me because i wrote a piece saying he would be discharged from the white house and two days later he was. this was a leak via his minion nunberg. and there is a follow-up from a breitbart reporter which reveals nothing other ...