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As a specialist adviser during their inquiry into the wider public service broadcasting landscape. and, of course, they did havejohn whittingdale in front of them at that time answering questions. and i think that... i mean, i went into that inquiry thinking, yes, why doesn't the bbc have the courage of its convictions around some of its great content? why don't they ask people to pay for it? and they could end up maybe making more money out of that than they do from the licence fee. but what i learned — as you've heard from helen and from phil — is that we don't have the infrastructure th...

Whether it's launching new services on a whim without really checking whether they're filling a commercial need, or outbidding the commercial sector for massive amounts of sports content on radio. in television, they've opted out of doing that, but in radio they're still doing that, and just spending money in a way that we can't compete with. joeyjones — sorry to interrupt, phil, but, joey, if ijust bring you in, you know, you looked at bbc funding, i think, when you were in government — is axing the licence fee by 2028 a realistic possibility, do you think? actually, the period i looked a...

Of them at that time answering questions and i think that i mean, i went into that inquiry thinking, yes, why doesn't the bbc have the courage of its convictions around some of its great content? why don't they ask people to pay for it and they could end up maybe making more money out of that than they do from the licence fee? but what i learned, as you've heard from helen and from phil, is that we don't have the infrastructure that would allow that to happen. a key tenet of the bbc has to be universality. and if ultimately you went down a subscription route, you would end up disenfranchising ...

Actually, the period i looked at it was when i was supporting the dcms select committee as a specialist adviser during their inquiry into the wider public service broadcasting landscape. and, of course, they did havejohn whittingdale in front of them at that time answering questions. and i think that... i mean, i went into that inquiry thinking, yes, why doesn't the bbc have the courage of its convictions around some of its great content? why don't they ask people to pay for it? and they could end up maybe making more money out of that than they do from the licence fee. but what i learned — ...

Select committee as a specialist adviser, during their inquiry into the wider public service broadcasting landscape. and, of course, they did have john whittingdale in front of them at that time, answering questions. and i think that... i mean, iwent into that inquiry thinking, "yes, why doesn't the bbc have the courage of its convictions around some of its great content?" "why don't they ask people to pay for it?" and they could end up maybe making more money out of that than they do from the licence fee? but what i learned, as you've heard from from helen and from phil, is that we don't have...