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>> congressman hueskamp, let's go back to general clapper. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on a million or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not. >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> now, before i get to his clarification, was that a lie, congressman hu elskamp, in light of what we know? it sure looks and sounds like it. we do not have to sacrifice our individual liberties.

>> so you believe the system they spent billions of dollars on failed. you worked for them for basically nothing, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> and yours would have prevented 9/11 in your view. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. what we were doing is adding attributes of all the targets, the terrorists' phone numbers, all of that, all that knowledge that was there, we were adding, and so we would write rules that simply said if our system came across it it would alert everybody that needs to know. the fbi, inside nsa, cia, whatever, and it would be done electronically by the rules, which...

>> so you believe the system they spent billions of dollars on failed. you worked for them for basically nothing, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> and yours would have prevented 9/11 in your view. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. what we were doing is adding attributes of all the targets, the terrorists' phone numbers, all of that, all that knowledge that was there, we were adding, and so we would write rules that simply said if our system came across it it would alert everybody that needs to know. the fbi, inside nsa, cia, whatever, and it would be done electronically by the rules, which...

Argue that would have been the equivalent of the comey letter as regards trump and paid the difference in terms of the campaign. >> tucker: we may be arguing the same thing. i thought that comey's announcement to hillary was under investigation without specifying what she was being investigated for was for that i have ought to be thought that at the time and i think it now. you are making it partisan something much more important at stake integrity the of our government. >> intelligent agency like. >> tucker: oh, gosh, we agree on that. thank you. >> happy to be here. >> tucker: bill benning w...

It was supposed be outwardly focused on our foreign enemies. you are saying that's been diverted for many years. >> yes, since 2001. >> tucker: so what do you make of considering what you just said that, the nsa has all the information. so presumably, they could c proe or disprove the claims about rushingg to entering in the election, they could prove or disprove trump's treatment of being spied upon. why would they? >> thathi would get into the extent of which the the network inside the united states through there is another program going on here that too many people aren't talking about.k i ...