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Growing against australia. >> this is more broadly this is the question. tony abbott, australian prime minister's stance on isis is quite clear. "we've made a strong commitment to degrading the isil group and we talk to partners about how this is best achieved." this played out in terms of military activity. 600 troops committed to the war on terror in september and eight hornets were authorized on air strikes in iraq only and my question now is how does this play out in terms of that growing footprint? will tony abbott now consider air strikes in syria and a greater footprint along with what ...

Or anything violent. >> it seems to be different than the canada attack we saw recently where it was an instant kill situation. he wants dialogue. he wants to have his story put out. who knows what's behind this person if he's really motivated by isis or if there are other deep seeded issues on a combination of both. >> how does he think it ends? what do you think is in this guy's mind on how this ends? >> this cannot end well for him. you saw it on the news all of these tactical officers ready to pounce on him if it looks like he's going to take violent action against the hostages. >> what do...

Without that coordinated effort, it's not going to happen. you then have to look at through the intelligence services the radicalization threat and we're seeing that grow in the u.k. specifically. the u.k. have gone hard on a strategy called prevent which targets the mosques and looks at the imams and what rhetoric the imams are putting out there which is encouraging this process of disenfranchisement of people coming in and we need to look at that in the u.s., australia and also europe. >> talk to us about tacticalicaltactically in an operation like this. does time favor the authorities or do...

We want to bring you up to date on the story in belgium in just a moment. to bring you up to date on what's happening in australia. up to 30 people being held in the lindt cafe in sidney. there are several different signs as to why this points to terrorism which we're following as well. we have guests coming up on that. first, there's also a situation developing in belgium where police have confirmed a certain hostage situation or something else happening there that looked similar but thomas, you have new information. >> we have a clarification because we started following this about 30 minute...

Us, we're in the 13th hour of a siege at a chocolate cafe in sidney. >> to follow-up on what joe is saying, there are two kpoents to this. australia is involved in these ongoing military operations. australia has a sizable muslim possible la population. they make the video in english to target these individuals in countries where it can recruit them with its magnetic appeal. we don't know who this individual is and it's important to emphasize he may be trying to seize on an opportunity but just given the context of the situation and threats that we've seen in the past, australia's response -- ...