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If the supreme court doesn't grant a certain petition to hear it now, i think you can try this case in the summer. >> that's a lot of things going in the special counsel's direction. >> a number of things have to break his way. but remember, alex, this is in many ways the simplest case. i don't mean to suggest that any case is easy, it's a one defended case, only mr. trump is charged. but only for charges. so in terms of getting this thing to trial, we're not dealing with classified information, as you are in the mar-a-lago case. you don't have to be under 97 defendants, as you do in the fulto...

Not respond to stop this violence. and this account were to come out of his mouth. do they call him at trial? do you take someone who is such a trump loyalist and put them -- >> yes the! don't you? >> but you could also end up with dance given are going on and on about what a witch hunt this is, or whatever. you're really rolling the dice in a way that you are not with a less contentious witness. dance could be no has been contentious here. he tried to get out of having to give this testimony. >> michael schmidt, why are we hearing about this? who stands to gain from leaking this reporting abo...

>> to me it comes down to jobs. into a broader question about how is my family doing? what are my kids prospects looking light? if those things are turning around, that has really been what warren and stan standards and aoc have hammered away on in the last few years. we've seen it translate in the biden transition see. when trump is the guy in the other side of the ticket, that's really going to be what they're thinking about. if you're joe biden, you hope that's enough for them to pull a lever for you. >> biden talking a lot about democracy, institutional integrity, the sacrosanct nature of ...

Incredible. we have an economy that is so fragile. and when there's a crash, i hope it's going to be during this next 12 months, because i don't want to be herbert herbert hoover. >> setting aside what would normally be a career ending statement for a presidential candidate, the other notable thing in that piece of sound is trump's assertion that the u.s. economy is terrible because democrats. trump likes to do that a lot. he has been doing it for a while. in 2020 it was all about joe biden and the policies of the left that would unleash an economic disaster of epic proportions. the irony is t...

Warner or sanders ended up in the white house, they had a profound effect on biden's administration. i was in pennsylvania a week ago. there's a steel plant plan going. up unemployment is going down. economically things are turning the right direction. the challenge for biden is getting that to translate into positive terms. >> i don't understand when you have architects of so much with the current economic policy, progressive democrats, self-described populists, why did the democratic party not get credited with a more populist approach. what is the disconnect? >> i think part of it is that a...