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>> my last question for you is the one just hard to square, even if you want to give white house the benefit of the doubt. with all of this coming out, and you just said some of these people shouldn't have been hired why. does the president say, of course you shouldn't of taken e-mails like that, and of course anyone who did that, why doesn't he just say that? >> i can't say i sit in the president's head like that. i can tell you at no time during the campaign, at no time after i spoke to him in the campaign, did he even breathe the word russia to me. there was zero russian collusion. the fact...

Interpretation. but collusion is collusion if the facts are there. the import of the george papadopoulos film, the import of the people that mueller is looking for now is that he believes, and he knows pits important if he's going to be sxrebl convincing. that he has to make the collusion case. not just the obstruction case. and he thinks the collusion case is there. and that is the political bombshell here. because i think even the bannons and the stones of the world thought donald trump could fight his way through an obstruction case. because it's political to some extent. one man's obstruct...