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>> my last question for you is the one just hard to square, even if you want to give white house the benefit of the doubt. with all of this coming out, and you just said some of these people shouldn't have been hired why. does the president say, of course you shouldn't of taken e-mails like that, and of course anyone who did that, why doesn't he just say that? >> i can't say i sit in the president's head like that. i can tell you at no time during the campaign, at no time after i spoke to him in the campaign, did he even breathe the word russia to me. there was zero russian collusion. the fact...

I think we need to have a more w robust democratic primary for the good of all politics. that said, does he immediately get framed by a whole portion of the party as once again another guy coming to stand in hillary clinton's way? >> no, because he's not just a guy coming in. he's been in the administration eight years, has been a senator, was chairman of the foreign relations committee. he has had a lot of guy experience. having said that, the thing that i find myself getting rageful for women is that society refuses to accept complexity in women. and men, it's a given. and for us to not be a...

Risks. paul ryan has done that. romneyn do that. mitt romney because it boils down to not just paul but ultimately at the top of the ticket, it reaffirms the fact this guy experience in the private sector and olympics and as a governor he has showed us yet again he has the capacity to make tough decisions. it will be a sharp contrast to this president who keeps wanting to run away from a record, 42 consecutive months at or above 8%. it's a bad across america. >> greta: i know you and congressman ryan have known each other a long time. how did you meet? >> we grew up 15 miles from each other. i...

Pointed out, a lot of people do not understand this, and they break up companies to help them survive, but the real practical experience, was herman cain. head of the national restaurant association. and through that, then, he was looking at what the government would do. and that is pretty down-to-earth real guy experience. >>guest: you know, he is described as the former c.e.o. of godfather's pizza and they make it sound as if this is some dude would bought the company and ran it and made some money. that is not it. herman cain went from coca-cola if atlanta, recruited to pillsbury food in mi...