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Instruction class. >> the finance director, exactly. >> tell me how it was used. >> the finance director got up at this meeting of top donors and fund-raisers in boca grande, florida, february 18th and gave it as a powerpoint presentation to them. basically this is how we do it. we stroke the egos of the rich guy and we scare the small donors. >> what do you make of that, john? your party is using this to raise money, using fear, painting the president up like the joker, with white face. well, using things like extreme feelings toward existing administration. reactionary. even using the word -...

That's pretty rough stuff, ben. you've uncovered it. did the republican people at the rnc deny that this is their approach to getting money out of people? >> you know, michael steele distanced himself from it immediately, particularly for whatever reason from the joker cartoon. they want nothing to do with that. that's unacceptable. >> they whiteface the president. yeah. >> they have not really commented on the substance of it on the question of whether they haven't really gone into detail one way or the other what they think of scaring their donors. though steele did say that -- >> wait a min...