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Society and to da that you have to be anti-republican especially anti-trump. >> jesse: that's what happens when you put your career over the country. i don't want to be in polite society, i want to be impolite society. you are now -- you are taking it to these agencies. now, tell us about this letter that these 51 intel guys signed that affected the last election. is there going to be accountability there? >> well, i hope so. they don't work for the government anymore. so part of it is to their accountability has to be damage to their reputation for having signed on to it. look, here's the thi...

But that said, these questions about the americans passing intelligence that's then used to kill russians, i don't get it, pam. it's a war -- >> i mean, don't you see how the other side where -- i'm just curious do you see the other side of this where the concern is russia is a nuclear you potentialer. the u.s. has been trying to walk that tricky, you know, the delicate dance, right, of helping ukraine but not overdoing it where russia would then retaliate against the u.s. given the fact it's a nuclear power, does it change -- can you see how it could change the calculation and where that fear...

As an intel guy, i don't get it. the order is, don't do anything that violates the laws of war but give them intel. if it kills russians, that's okay. >> all right, phil mudd, thank you. >> thank you. it's now mother's day in slovakia, which borders ukraine. first lady jill biden is there offering comfort to ukrainian refugees in that country. they are just a fraction of the more than 5.5 million people who have fled the war. kate bennet is traveling with the first lady. kate? >> reporter: that's right, first lady jill biden spending most of the day in bucharest, romania, where she wanted to...

Poland, and they will keep going to the berlin wall. >> jesse: that might be what putin wants, but i don't think he has the time or money to get to berlin or poland. these sanctions are so devastating, they are up against the clock. no one is buying russian oil. they can't sell two-thirds of the oil they have now. at that toxic. the banking system would collapse at a certain point. the stock market has been done for five, almost six days. this is now a military race against an economic one. this could go on months, but can't years. there is no way could pacify ukraine in a year. he's gonna hav...

I know you had to be as embarrassed by that as every american was when he said my intel guys tell me it's putin but putin says it isn't and i believe him. doesn't get more embarrassing. do you wish you had done more, that you had pushed back more on him, that you had pushed on cyber security and said, look, i know you got some kind of flavor of crazy going on but we have to do this anyway? that you had been more outspoken in hindsight? >> well, you can always do more. but i will tell you i am very proud of the cyber strategy we developed when i was national security adviser. it received praise...