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Many contract employees because of the extent of the intelligence business these days, we have to use them -- is there a difference in quality, loyalty, maturity? or what? >> you know, brian, there really isn't. honestly, i think there is a tendency after a edward snowden affair and some of the other high-profile cases to dispara disparagingly think about contractors but on a day to day basis contractors may be sitting inside to government employees in the most sensitive operations the u.s. government and you couldn't tell the difference. there is just as much dedication, just as much commitme...

And that the russians were intending to set up a system to go after the actual -- you know people who were setting up the -- the electoral process, registration and matters like that. >> raj de, there a dichotomy, a difference between the career intelligence types like our friend malcom and the many, many contract employees because of the extent of the intelligence business these days? we have to use them. is there a difference in quality, loyalty, maturity, or what? >> you know brian there really isn't honestly i think there is a tendency after the edward snowden affair and some high profile ...

The u.s. intelligence community to go out and start stealing top secret classified information and putting it out in the way that this young exair force operator did. but for the most part, you know, that aside, we are learning something new, you know, and far be it from me to speak about special intelligence. but we are learning that the hack was a lot more involved and that the russians were intending to set up a system to go after the actual people who were setting up the electoral process, registration, and matters like that. >> raj day, is there a dichotomy, a difference between career in...

You will see the curvey couch. brian: we are in the process of installing an escalator. my thighs are too big. steve: aaron is special terrorism unit and leading manufacturer of law enforcement products for terrorism readiness. good to have you here on the brand new curvey couch. >> very good. i feel we are all connecting. brian: what's so connecting to all of us how one of the attackers, the 27-year-old nicknamed abs was hiding in plain sight. isis flag in the park. appearing on a documentary about terror. trying to radicalize about children. what else does he need to do, educate us. this is ...

Documentary. they had no idea that that was who was funding the project. >> all right. david, without jumping to nying kushner tried to set up the back channel with russia during the transition. what is the best and worst case? >> he is a private citizen at this point, during the transition. it is not that he wanted to create a back channel between the president and putin. things like that have happened in the past. but he wanted to go into the russian embassy here in d.c. and use their secret communications to carry out some sort of secret communications with moscow. that strikes many people ...