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Presidential advisory panel on the matter urged president obama to stop the practice and put in place major reforms on intelligence gathering. i wanted to put all of that to president obama's first director of national intelligence, now retired naval admiral dennis blair. admiral, what do you make of this court ruling? i know you're not a judge. my question would be if that ruling is upheld, does it cripple the nsa and ability to collect this data? how big a blow would that be? >> i think the larger question here and issue that ought to be discussed is this balance between privacy on the one h...

Espionage act targeted at the united states of america? >> yes, they have, chairman. >> that would be skin the with most of our allyies, let's pecka place, the european union? >> yes, it would, charm. >> this is ongoing today, this didn't stop two weeks ago, last year oreg last week? to the best of your knowledge. >> to the best of my knowledge. >> reporter: admitting the u.s. spies on allies as well, including their leaders. >> it's the first thing i learned in intel school in 1963, this is a fundamental given in the intelligence business. >> reporter: still, that argument didn't satisfy some...

Personal cell phone of germany's chancellor angela merkel. take a listen. >> it's one of the first things i learned in intel school in 1963. this is the fundamental given in the intelligence business. leadership intentions, no matter what level you're talking about. that can be military leaders as well. >> do you believe the allies have conducted or at any time any time of espionage activity against the united states of america, our intelligence services, our leaders or otherwise? >> absolutely. >> we will analyze this exchange at this hearing in just a matter of minutes. plus, forget the bu...

Every day, not just from cyber, none of that is going away. you can manage jir our adversaries are trying to fill the hole. so one of the men worried about the potential national security threats because of the shutdown is america's top intelligence officer james clapper. >> i've been in the intelligence business for about 50 years. i've never seen anything like this. from my view, i think this on top of the sequestration cuts that we're already take that this seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and citizens. >> joining us live from washington, cla...

>> he looked at me in a hateful way and i said what did you say? i could not believe that he would say that. fell on to my face and his ear and mouth was in my ear and he said it and more hateful and so i pushed him away and that's when he slapped john. >> hunly said he lost his job when the story came out and sentencing is scheduled for january. prosecutors suggested he gets six months. >> he plead guilty and will probably get that. >> and blunt words from the director of intelligence james clapper who warned the shutdown is putting our national security at risk. >> i will tell you the impact...