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Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin laden? >> you know, brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information. and that was true here. we had a multibillion source, a multiable series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees. we also had information from other sources as well. from intelligence, from imagery, from other sources that we had assets on the ground. it was a combination of all ...

. can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin laden? >> you know, brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information. and that was true here. we had a multiple source -- a multiseries of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees. we also had information from other sources as well. from intelligence, from imagery, from other sources that we had assets on the ground. it was a combination of all of ...

Defense secretary donald rumsfeld said about the possibility of general petraeus coming out. he's not going to move out until the fall but general petraeus coming out from the leadership position over in afghanistan. listen. >> petraeus has got his arms around afghanistan and he ought to stay there and he ought to be successful and do the job and we ought to not keep playing musical chairs with the intelligence field. if you look over the last 10, 15 years, we've had way too many people heading up our intelligence business. and it's important and it needs to be treated seriously and not trivia...

Won't use military force to bring that about. how do you get regime change, then? >> i truly don't know. and look, it's unfair -- >> is there a problem -- is there an inconsistency and a problem with the policy? >> i think there is. and i'm reluctant, hesitant to be critical because i know how tough these decisions are, how difficult these meetings are. but to my eye there is a fairly significant gap now between what you called our objective, he must go, and our means. and if that gap sustains, john, this thing, you called objective, isn't an objective. it remains an aspiration. and that's a b...

>> policy. in terms of this office, i remember one briefing. my reaction was, i'm not in the intelligence business. no mystery about it at all. >> you don't take any responsibility -- >> for what? >> for the fact that information was there was misleading information that got to colin powell. >> absolutely not. colin powell has, probably had more experience dealing with intelligence products than anyone in the government at a senior level. >> he has said he was basically blind sided, that there was information, pressure from the vice president. pressure from pentagon officials on the cia. >> th...