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Cannot necessarily trust with the turkish officials are saying. but we have audio proof and video proof. >> right. arthel: i understand the president trump testing his own roof from his intelligence agents. >> he would. the guy who has it for sure, the king and mohammed will know plenty of what had happened which is important as well as our intelligence collection which i'm sure is quite extensive. as far as what we might do i'm sure we will look at the issue in the context of our overall relationship with saudi arabia. and in the region as well. the president was not wrong to say that there a...

Is a bifurcating of information of information that can be accessed by foreign service nationals and those used by u.s. citizens working abroad as part of the diplomatic mission. i don't think that any classified information was ever leaked. >> but she had access to email, the intranet. how can they be sure? again we know that russia is fairly fikted right when it comes to cybersecurity. >> right. russia is playing the long game here of intelligence collection. they're in the targeting one specific piece of information they wanted from this woman. they wanted over a longer period of time infor...

The intelligence community. it suggests something nefarious. gowdy and ryan looked into what was offered up about what was done. and there was no spying. everything was done right. is that a fair characterization? >> tray gowdy is up is the that said things to him and he said things to the public that were fot true. if there was investigative activity before the 31st. >> that's not spying. >> intelligence collection. >> it's a dirty word. >> i should have used intelligence collection. that's actually what i'm concerned about. whether people refer to that as spying. the question is whether or n...

And politics as an outsider. it tends to be that it feels like there are more than just the russians involved. there had to have been americans directing whether wittingly or unwittingly, advising them of how to do this. this is far too targeted for someone in russia to kind of figure out the specifics of it. that's what they do. i am sure. i go back to that intelligence collection. again, that is code for spying. to me that means they were recruiting. the other part of this is they didn't go into detail, they were recruiting u.s. persons to do their bidding. > the indictment goes into that ab...

what became extremely extremely common meme in the american electorate. >> yeah, look, and to what julia is saying, i'm very skeptical, having sat down with russian intelligence officers, my sense is that russia understands u.s. customs and politics as an outsider. it tends to be that it feels like there were more than just the russians involved. there had to have been americans directinging whether advising them how to do this. this is far too targeted for someone in russia to figure out the specs. i go back to the intelligence collection. that is code for spying. to me that means they wer...