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To stand up against him, which i think is critically important. >> what do you make watching as an intelligence expert, the republican statement tonight, the thing we read a few moments ago on the show now about their claims? they're not thinking at all about the fact that -- history books will be filled with why this president was impeached when he's impeached. they're not talking about that. >> they have no interest in finding the truth or being honest with the american people. clearly they have bets on mr. trump and will continue to stay with him. it's the bed they've all made together. the...

It could mean he didn't know exactly what -- >> what else could it mean? >> you'll have to ask the preside president. >> i don't have to. he gave us the transcript. when when they're talking about what he wants, he says "talk to ru rudy," "talk to barr." zelensky says thanks to rudy, good to get the information from rudy. how can the president plausibly deny knowledge? >> look, it could be he does not know exactly what negotiations giuliani was involved in. chris, i don't know what the comment meant. >> but the call was perfect. how is it not perfectly clear to you, fred? >> i don't know. let'...

House judiciary committee talking about how the inspector general for the state department for this urgent meeting basically just turned over a bunch of propaganda that had been mailed to secretary of state mike pompeo alleging in its pages that these documents, a whole host of conspiracy theories having to do with players in the ukrainian scandal, most notably including ambassador masha yovanovitch who was dismissed by president trump as ambassador to ukraine this year. let's chat about this. let's start with the intelligence expert we have at the table. phil mudd, i don't understand the purp...

Seems not much has changed as we go into 2020. joining me is cynthia mcfadden, our senior legal correspondent. what are they -- i'm not sure i understand who "they" is because there's so many people involved trying to secure our election. >> that's the problem, who is the they? who has the white house, the administration pointed to say this is the czar of no more of this business. that doesn't mean there aren't agencies working on it, homeland security, the fbi, and no doubt the justice department as well. however the administration has not taken a strong hand regardless of what sarah sanders ...

Come up with, steph. >> listen, i'm no intelligence expert, but in terms of seriousness, for those who are trying to understand what happened to this man, it was stunning to watch mike pompeo sit there, meeting with the crown prince, sort of smiling, expression, basically in the identical photo we have seen, you and i over last ten years watching investment manager after investment manager get a big fat check from mbs. did pompeo give any indication he knows anymore? we, the united states, know anymore about khashoggi? >> no, and he was asked and he didn't respond to that. he didn't respond to...