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Turkey to come up with a fall guy, some explanation that is face-saving all around, but would be an insult to jamal and would be a license for other autocrats around the world to do the same thing to journalists who bother them and then also find some fall guy down the road. we need to have consequences and i'm still not convinced that we'll see them. >> and, malcolm, the references to a quote/unquote investigation themselves are a little rich. you don't need to be a detective let alone an intelligence expert like yourself, somebody walks into a building and never walks out, you have a pretty ...

Russian involvement, but the fact that there isn't anybody named here, implies that we had nothing to do with it. because if there was anything, they would have indicted us. which is not that bad of an analysis. >> and you'll notice to our viewers that according to the expertise of all of our guests, everyone is stringing out different messages from this, malcolm nance, our intelligence expert was saying that what this does is expose a huge data mining operation on the part of the united states once we had reason to believe that bad actors were interfering in our election process. a u.s. data ...

What do you, as an intelligence expert, want to see happen next in the russia investigation? >> well, look, in an ideal world, i think this pair graph length sentence from the president. i know the russians did it. the russians know they did it. we're going to move heaven and earth to find out how they did it and make sure it never happens again. i don't think president trump is capable of that pair graph. although i was heartened that h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser, said something like that in an interview not long took. >> and lindsey graham. lindsey graham said he believes the...

With this. >> i think most people thought hillary clinton would win for quite some time, and yes, it puts them in a difficult situation. what do they do? it's difficult at this stage of the game to sit there and say, you know, nothing was done when the administration did know something. i'm not an intelligence expert, i'm just saying it was brought to their attention and nothing was done for whatever reason and now, unfortunately, we're looking at it in the rear-view mirror. >> whatever we were then, the reality is now there should be bipartisan support for addressing this problem. it's a nati...

Said it was with the intent of donald trump winning, and potentially when they saw, to be honest, point when is it changed it was when they saw that hillary clinton looked hike she was going to win, so they were looking to under mine her presidency once she got into office. so this is clearly something the russians like to do. it's called reflexive control theory. i mentioned this before. people in the tegs community know what this is. russian has engaged in this for years and years and years. it's disinformationment it's to manipulate opinion and try to influence. >> the obama administration ...