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War daéjà vu. general mark hertling was doing border patrol then. general, you have some ideas about this. what are the differences when we talk about cyber attacks and that being the impetus of why people are seeing parallels to the cold war? do you see parallels? >> this is very interesting because i hear a lot of people talking about this is a new cold war. having done multiple border patrols as a new lieutenant and then later as a major in my career, back when we were on the east german/west german border. you knew when things were happening. you knew when the other side was skirmishing ...

Organizations that supposedly were independent, and now they use cyber space. the point is always the same like it is now. we are talking about, requesting the integrity and credibility of democratic systems. whether they did it, and motivation is very hard to figure out when you are talking about intelligence operations, but whether they tended to it for trump's benefit or because vladimir putin doesn't like hillary, that is benefit the point. from their perspective they won with this operation. we have people out there now talking about this and we are beating the drum on there and to your p...

It's great to be with "fox and friends." >> how is this group doing more harm than good when it comes to cyber security and taking down these accounts with isis, sir? >> look, i think it's easy for the net effect of what anonymous is advising its members to do, to be one much interference, as an interference with ongoing, online intelligence operations. there's a great deal of work under way to identify important communications which can be gathered from various elements used as of social media. in particular, the islamic state's members and support base. if you're going out and putting pressu...

Disturb and surprise you that our enemies, these terrorists groups are setting up their own agencies and going to schoolen us? >> one of the biggest worries i have is that the terrorist organizations are starting to look like intelligence operations. they have their own intelligence components. they're starting to work inside the country as if they're penetrating organizations and government agencies. a good example are some of these cases they talk about in this report. let's take the subway bomber or the subway plot in new york city a few years ago. he was actually an airport shuttle bus dri...

We're back with our roundtable, this is the last show before christmas. although it will be a while before politicians will have to account for themselves again to voters, here's a "hardball" account now. we begin with the naughty list. at the top of that is the man who not only has no remorse for the use of torture, even on some people who turned out to be innocent, but he says he would do it again in a minute, of course. i'm talking about former vice president dick cheney who after all was in charge of all intelligence operations in the bush administration. let's watch him in defense. >> i w...