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Interest, target also killed in this strike or simply all collateral damage and let me ask you, too lucas because i know you pressed the pentagon on this detail as well. you asked them if there were any u.s. boots on the ground to help coordinate this strike. you pressed them as to whether or not there were any special operators. what about intelligence operators? was there any cia presence or assets on the ground? >> will, i have been told this was signals intelligence that picked up this threat and they were watching this white toyota carolla. for specific, 75% of the cars drive around kabul...

We've been doing about other calls that went off the rails is that this group of people on the national security council, people who are often active duty military, intelligence operators, they're so much more used to keeping their mouth shut in a position of trust. what happens in the white house stays there. but now they've taken a new route. they're so frightened, they're coming forward. they're speaking. they're saying what's happened, because they feel a larger duty from what i can tell. and the larger duty is the obligation to tell the american public what's happening. >> anita, that tak...

And his allies have made that all of this stuff is just hearsay. the problem with the hearsay argument is that everything that the whistle-blower has said in his complaint seems to be buttressed by the president's own comments, the white house's confirmation, and the transcript, rough transcript that the white house released. almost every single thing that whistle-blower has said has been proven true. still, whistle-blower number two, who appears to be an intelligence official with much more firsthand knowledge has come forward ostensibly to help say no, this is not one lone person. there are ...

That this group of people on the national security council, people who are often active duty military, intelligence operators, they're so much more used to keeping their mouth shut in a position of trust. what happens in the white house stays there. but now they've taken a new route. they're so frightened, they're coming forward. they're speaking. they're saying what's happened, because they feel a larger duty from what i can tell. and the larger duty is the obligation to tell the american public what's happening. >> anita, that takes your breath away too. and with you, we want to take a turn ...

>> the president's logic at the time look, it's been a decade. we can't stay forever. the united states, you know, can't hold a country together. iraq has to be ready to have democracy and stand on its own. ultimately wasn't that a decision that had to be made? trillions of dollars had been spent. it was continual, hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and things weren't getting better. >> you know, i sat in on the margins of the national security meetings when george bush was president. and he used to say iraq and the future needs to look like south korea. if you look at south korea today, ...