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Soldiers. i cried a couple days after september 11th. i cried when i was sitting with the victims of rape in darfur some who had been raped by peace keepers. because of a press report, no. >> bill: he didn't like you because you didn't agree with him on a lot of things, north korea terrorism watch list, you wanted them off. he didn't. then there was the controversy over sheikh mohammed, khalid sheikh mohammed. you wanted, what, to stop the waterboarding at that point? >>. no i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11...

Waterboarding at that point. >> no. i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11. the united states doesn't disappear people. >> bill: he didn't want that. he wanted to could it secretly. he thought i would get more al qaedas. >> khalid sheikh mohammed was past his intelligence value we were told. >> bill: why didn't cheney in your opinion when you in this difference of opinion i'm sure you listened to his point of view? >> did i, of course. >> bill: why didn't he want a public exposition of what mohammed had done and ...

Waterboarding at that point. >> no. i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11. the united states doesn't disappear people. >> bill: he didn't want that. he wanted to could it secretly. he thought i would get more al qaedas. >> khalid sheikh mohammed was past his intelligence value we were told. >> bill: why didn't cheney in your opinion when you in this difference of opinion i'm sure you listened to his point of view? >> did i, of course. >> bill: why didn't he want a public exposition of what mohammed had done and ...

Waterboarding at that point. >> no. i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11. the united states doesn't disappear people. >> bill: he didn't want that. he wanted to could it secretly. he thought i would get more al qaedas. >> khalid sheikh mohammed was past his intelligence value we were told. >> bill: why didn't cheney in your opinion when you in this difference of opinion i'm sure you listened to his point of view? >> did i, of course. >> bill: why didn't he want a public exposition of what mohammed had done and ...

May not be as effective as it was in the past if you prescribe to that. >> well, you know, this is one of those areas that you guys have been great about covering, the fact that there's no real capture part. >> the last guy that we got of high interest is still in pakistan. we didn't take control of him and the pakistan is the same one that let bin laden's bodyguard go because he was getting old. >> and this is where we've got to be more direct and you had me on talking about operation dark heart. we planned on going in, taking care of business and doing what we need to do or for our objective...