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closed captioning, brought to you by mesobook.com. this is just in to cnn. the source come from the federal grand jury investigating january 6th has subpoenaed the former white house counsel, pallone. abc news was first to report that. cnn has now confirmed that, as well. abby phillip, david axelrod, all back with me here. thanks so much for joining. this is big news. what say you, david? >> i think we have seen, over the last couple of weeks, this escalation in this grand jury process. that is separate and apart from all of the doj investigations and prosecutions into those that act...

Steal the election. virtually, everyone of the key moments, the meetings in the oval office, the meetings with doj, the meetings with the other advisors who were in donald trump's ear, pat cipollone is there. often, pat cipollone's role was to tell donald trump, we can't do this, to push back against the worst excesses and abuses. don, this tells me, doj is looking at the inter-inner circle of the trump white house. >> susan, everyone will try to read something into this. not sure what there is to be read into it, but i will ask you if this just develop it should be seen as a big win towards p...