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>> the nsc staff did, yes. >> and per usual custom are these -- were these talking points based on the official united states policy objectives? >> they were. >> and since there has been a little bit of dispute about what that means, could you explain how official u.s. policy is determined with -- through the interagency process? >> we operate under what is known as nspm 4. national security memorandum four on the internet how the president wanted to be provided options for his decision. >> and there is an extensive process to finalize any policy, is that right? >> sometimes. >> did you -- mr....

Were you? we were running a process to provide the information that i had been directed to generate for the president's consideration as to the state of interagency sport for continuing ukraine security sector assistance. >> and the entire interagency supported the continuation of the security assistance, isn't right? >> that is correct. >> now after the larger meeting with vice president pence and president zelenskyy, you testified at your deposition that you saw ambassador sondland immediately go over and pull andrea side and have a conversation, is that right? >> i mean it was president zel...

>> who she call in the process? >> sondland and mr. giuliani. >> what did do you if anything to determine what that was? >> after that particular handoff meeting, i proceeded to look it up on the internet. i googled it. >> did you find that it had some association with hunter bide snen. >> yes. >> did you dmot listen to this call but you testified you were surprised and troubled when you read the call record after it was released on september 25th. you also said that after reading the call record, it was clear to you that the biden-burisma and 2016 election investigation that's president trump...

Characterized president trump's state of corruption in ukraine. and the president's prioritization of getting the europeans to contribute more to security sector assistance. zwr was he commenting on general concerns of the hold? >> i didn't mention a hold. he mentioned we were reviewing the assistance and that's the way i heard it and characterize it. and those are the points he raised to help him understand where we were in our process. that is the coordinator of the interagency process. you were not aware of the review of the security clearance money,

Yourself know what ambassador sondland meant by the deliverable? >> i did not at the time. i think i have an understanding now. >> and what is your understanding now? >> there seems to have been discussions about a statement, various drafts of which have been discussed in various proceedings. >> but this to your knowledge was part of that parallel process you were talking about? >> yes. >> if we can now go to the next exhibit which is another text exchange just a few minutes later between ambassador so sondland and you mr. volker. to avoid misunderstandings, might be helpful to ask andre for a...