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And balances in place and we all have training, so i don't think we are in the same place we were then. but the public interest was so overwhelming, not just the hypocrisy of the social distancing, but the massive question but the massive question it threw up was was he in a relationship with this woman when he hired her. and he still hasn't really answer that question publicly. he's only admitted to the social distancing breach. and i think we are still waiting to hearfrom him on that one. yeah, i mean the public interest point you make interest point you make there, very compelling, but two ...

The president's personal attorney, this is the president's personal attorney doing the personal work of president trump in this ukraine trying to dig up discredited dirt on joe biden. >> working at the behest of the state department allegedly and the president. julia, thank you, geoff, thank you. we put together a group of experts to sift through some of this. jeremy bash, former chief of staff of the cia and defense department, also an msnbc national security analyst. susan page is the washington bureau chief for us a today. matt miller, an msnbc justice and security analyst. harry lit man fo...

The series of tweets after that. late in the day, the president said in fact he was going to increase the tariffs on the chinese on hundreds of billions of dollars of goods. let's bring in our panel. matthew continetti, editor in chief of the washington free beating. susan page from washington bureau chief at "usa today," and "wall street journal" calmness at the manhattan institute. there's a lot of volatility. >> neither do ceos and companies. they want stability. they are not worried about monetary policy. i don't think they are worried about that on the interest point, i think they are wor...

>> there was also an op ed where the writers said what if the obstruction was the collusion. i believe it was benjamin wits that wrote the article. could the obstruction, which is criminal, actually have been the collusion? >> i read the article, the one you just referenced and me makes an interest point. that could -- he could be right. that is is a credible argument. we won't know until the mother investigation is concluded and we learn what the investigation found. ben's point is very interesting, to say the least. >> noelle, as the republican on the panel tonight. you look at this bombshel...

Silly, because that is somebody's version of the truth. >> truth is truth. >> truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says i didn't. >> mr. mayor, do you realize -- this is going to become a bad meme. >> don't do this to me, us. >> kelly jane? >> as someone who agrees in philosophy, i am glad to see some philosophical discussion. he had an interest point, he made it in a typical rudy way which is that the truth is the truth, we agree with that. what he was trying to say is how do you decide what is truth when you have competing versions of the truth. i hope that was the truth. >>...